It could be simple lack of resources, it could be lack of experience, or simply the fact that getting the end result out was more important than the design... or in other terms, focus on content and usability (to mean everything technically works and people can get to the data without waiting for a designer to skin the site) overruled flash and sexiness. If I was a designer I might feel more comfortable about recommending specific design principles, but referring people to some expert sources (the books by Jarrod Drysdale, Sacha Greif, and David Kadavy) is at least a step in the right direction. Python has equivalents to map, reduce, and select, but the language only provides these crippled one-line lambdas (also, no closures), so you end up writing hard-to-read nests of for loops instead. Java makes a clear distinction between data attributes and methods. In C++ any medium to large project has a build as a centerpiece. The model is that you have source code which you process to create something that you run. I worry about people picking up bad habits/not ever learning what is going on under the hood of their Python program, but I worry even more about people giving up on learning to program altogether. Also the default ide is more than shit. All the cool Python 3 features that'll make you switch today! a[1:3] means: give me the elements 1, 2, 3. Python is great. The only bad part I have read about python is that it doesn't do multi-core threading or something like that which is handy for processing a crap load of data. I hate that in Python there is always a possibility that everything will crash because a variable of the wrong type gets passed into a function, and there's no way to guarantee this won't happen. Since however its not mainly used by web people dont suspect great web pages. Also, importing modules from different directories is much more troublesome in Python than in JavaScript, where you can just give the file path. Embedded snippets seems like a pretty limited use case. than does Python. [Edit: Also check out this lightening talk on attracting designers to your project.] Many of the most common pitfalls in python are indeed considered best practice in other languages. compare Rails to Django or Pylons/Pyramid or Flask, not Python to Ruby. while True: # statement(s) if not condition: break Easier than Java and PHP (and of course Perl) in this regard. Ruby's use of frames (yes, old-school HTML frames) is totally unacceptable. However, there is no legitimate connection to the majority of pages backed by python being ugly, and the python language itself. As a dynamically typed language, Python is slow because it is too flexible and the machine would need to do a lot of referencing to make sure what the definition of something is, and this slows Python performance down. Python has strengths, but it's also got weaknesses. I hear what you're saying about the dynamic (or, weak) typing. I've got some side projects in Rust and Scala but I don't know if I will ever find a job in these languages. maybe try to write python like Rust? Cool, trick, obfuscated solutions waste time and money. Django’s homepage is poorly organized. I'm sure I'm not the first to notice, but it's ironic that this Python forum is built with PHP. Even considering frameworks with different tools to generate the front end html, that is as far as the back end interacts with the front end. You're comparing the top page of the Django documentation with the top page of the Rails documentation. Several programming language popularity rankings exist. However python is much older and has a different origin. "Another problem is that should I create a Python project and want to release it on production, I need to NOT ONLY install Python, but pip with every dependency as well, at a global scope. If you are referring to frameworks and the interfaces thereof (i.e. It's ugly. I love Python. http://instagram-engineering.tumblr.com/post/13649370142/what-powers-instagram-hundreds-of-instances-dozens-of It’s that nobody is inspired by uglyness and nobody wants to use ugly products when there are better options. They didn't have discipline. I do agree that the migration to Python 3 was completely mishandled. Recently I've been pushed into Python development because the rest of my team adopted it because of a single library that is marginally better than what we had in Ruby. Ruby is a good reference point since it occupies a similar niche in the programming language ecosystem and is roughly the same age. Its a very real possibility that usability or design issues on the front page will negatively affect Python adoption. Or worse, somebody throws in a generator! I apologize. Java + Gradle (or any of the major build tools) = , "But why even try when there's no real benefit? Builder ‎02-06-2015 08:57 AM. Java is no stranger to dependency hell either, particularly in the world of EE. Really, people. I would like it more, but too many coders seem to assume that python means that you have permission to write bad code. I need only the JRE on production, and I'm golden :D". I see this is a very old post, but I got here from Google and I have a few criticisms of Python that aren't already here. It doesn't make the code magically better. Its just that, well, ummm…you’re kind of ugly. Electrical engineers can use Maxwell's Equations and derived formulas to state clearly and definitively if a given design will generally work. Am I weird to say that I appreciate how quickly you can find the info you want in the Python documentation? So, you ask, how can I hate Python if I don't know how to write a single line of it? I love the creative aspect of web development and I will really look into the links provided by you, and hopefully create something beautiful in python. Robust Standard Library. Other than that, beats me, I like python, who cares what other people think. Automation, and small things that should just make life more pleasant. def func1(a, b, extra = 5): I don't know for Smalltalk tools per se. Rails developers design beautiful interfaces while Python developers program the missing parts. Above are online interactive tutorials for learning Python vs. Ruby. The bad thing about python is that any idiot can use it. I think things are finally getting there (Django 2 refusing to run on 2.x is a huge step) but wow, what a way to drag things out. Python Server Side Programming Programming. Somewhere in that timeline Python came out and every time I looked at it, I wanted to read the philosophy behind it because it looked like such a step backward. Python allows you to chain the comparison operations. Because pretty much every python program ever written by any of my students either doesn't work on another machine in the same cluster that's supposed to be configured identically, or stops working on the VERY SAME machine within a few months when some minor version number changes. Python 3 on the other hand, has the potential of actually being scaleable. I think that people can be unkind when comparing programming languages, often simply to make themselves look smarter. I'm one of the weirdo designers who happened to fall in love with Python later in life and who doesn't really get Ruby; we exist, but it's kinda lonely over here. its in the eye of the beholder. Because straight-line execution performance is, for most applications, far less important than architecture and team productivity. Made with love and Ruby on Rails. I have written code in 1991 that still runs. (Birds of a feather flock together and all that.) Many strongly typed languages allow passing null as any type anyway and I find that a far bigger problem than passing foo when a bar is required. Please. Both are well organized, but it is obvious at a glance who places importance on professional design and who doesn’t. tldr; It's not (just) a matter of knowing to hire a designer or not, it's whether you're actively recruiting designers to code with you and join your community. Currently, my favorite language is C#, especially after xamarin and mono made it portable. The Python blog designs are uninspiring and unpolished, while the Ruby designs are striking. I would be glad to speak with you! I know part of your argument is that Python developers don't care. enormous library structure which allowed people to say "I'll make a thing Makes it more readable. Templates let you quickly answer FAQs or store snippets for re-use. For me, clarity over cleverness is the primary feature of a programming language. I've used both here is my view on it Reason, ruby on rails is more commonly used in web environments. Built on Forem — the open source software that powers DEV and other inclusive communities. Rails community is noisy. That said, if your team's testing, craft, and review discipline are solid, Python is just fine for projects large and small. And when it isn't, it's very good at calling your favorite compiled code for performance sensitive pieces. Pip is fine. In one project I found over 3000 lines of code specifically dedicated to completely unnecessary encapsulation of ordinary attributes. It does a nice balanced job of explaining and comparing different approaches, including Python's. However, we have had extensive experience tracking down build and test failures caused by cross-language builds where a Python snippet embedded in another language, for instance through a SWIG invocation, is subtly and invisibly broken by a change in the indentation of the surrounding code. So yeah, more often than not I'm more scarred fron the misuse of Python than anything else. I remember when I was learning Java that I had to use upcasting (some of the nio apis, etc).